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AW: AW: H.323 Annex I
by Baese Gero 19 Feb '01

19 Feb '01

Dear Stephan, experts, thank you for your exact description of the current situation concerning the H.263 software. Unfortunately, other parts of your email are quite confusing I guess. I will try to clarify several points. First of all - fairness. We consider it unfair to use a professional, for speed and quality, optimized version of the software instead of an officially available H.263/L. I myself are involved in H.26L standardization, as you know. It's not a secret. I was involved in H.263 standardization as well. I can't see any unfairness in working for different groups of the ITU or knowing other people working for other parts of the organisation. Several times we stressed the point that the results have to be reproducible by everybody. An official version of the software should be used. The test scenario should be agreed on by both parties. If there is anything missing to exclude one-sided advantages please let us know. We are completely aware of possibly technical changes of H.26L. We are not going to optimize Annex I for any special video codec. Using it is a pragmatic solution to the problem of the lack of officially available software for H.263. >From a university point of view it might look different. For companies H.263 is reality and H.26L will be the next standard used in products. Caused by the AAP adopted by the ITU standards will arrive much earlier at the market now. Hope this helps everybody to understand our intentions. Best Wishes Gero Baese > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > Von: Stephan Wenger [mailto:stewe@cs.tu-berlin.de] > Gesendet am: Freitag, 16. Februar 2001 03:12 > An: Baese Gero > Cc: ITU-SG16(a)mailbag.cps.INTEL.COM > Betreff: Re: AW: H.323 Annex I > > Dear Gero, > > At 05:32 PM 2/14/2001 +0100, Baese Gero wrote: > > [...] > > >If there is no official software available for H.263 containing > >all annexes needed for the tests, as Stephan Wenger pointed > out, we can > >only restrict ourselves to H.26L. Otherwise we are not comparing our > >methods but rather special implementations of a video coding > standard. > > I don't believe it be wise to resort on H.26L, for at least > three reasons: > > 1. H.26L is in a relatively early stage of standardization, > and especially > the network adaptation layers are bound to change > significantly. While > there is a controlled software available, this software is > going to change > often at least for another year. Not a good start if you > want to have > reproducible results. > 2. Due to its computational complexity and due to the timing of > standardization and development of H.26L, it will likely take > several years before the first H.26L products will be > available. Hence > there is little point to rush out an Annex I that is optimized > (explicitly or implicitly) for H.26L. And, once it is out, it will > probably not see deployment in the mobile field at first, again > due to its computational complexity. > 3. An argument of fairness: Thomas Stockhammer, one of the key > contributors of the error resilience / NAL work in H.26L, > is somewhat > attached to the Siemens/HHI/TU Muenchen group. Not exactly fair, > considering that, as far as I know, UCLA and Samsung are not > directly involved in the H.26L standardization process. H.263++, > in contrast, is a ratified standard and thus gives anyone a chance > to implement it the best way he/she can. > > I don't really know why I bother to write this EMail at all; you know > my position on Annex I in general... I guess, point #3 and a personal > inclination to fairness is my main reason. > > Stephan > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ For help on this mail list, send "HELP ITU-SG16" in a message to listserv(a)mailbag.intel.com

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AW: AW: H.323 Annex I
by Baese Gero 19 Feb '01

19 Feb '01

Dear Mr. Villasenor, experts, we completely agree using H.263 would be worthwhile. Using H.263 and H.26L was requested by the group at the Geneva meeting. Unfortunately there is no appropriate H.263 software available at the ITU. For H.26L the software exists. We raised the question at the meeting already. Since then we tried to find a solution with the representative of your department. Unfortunately we've got the first answer but now. Now the deadline is approching and our proposal (to restrict ourselves to H.26L) was a pragmatic solution to get comparable results for the meeting. We also want to use H.263, on the other hand using proprietary software wouldn't provide the group with material to base a decision on. Additionally it would be an enormous advantage for one side. Hopefully our intention is better understandable now and you are supporting a quickly reached decision based on our proposals. Best Wishes Gero Baese > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > Von: John D. Villasenor [mailto:villa@icsl.ucla.edu] > Gesendet am: Sonntag, 18. Februar 2001 01:15 > An: Gero.X.Baese(a)MCHP.SIEMENS.DE; adamli(a)icsl.ucla.edu; > cITU-SG16(a)mailbag.cps.INTEL.COM > Cc: baronson(a)ieee.org; jeonghoon(a)samsung.com; jfahlen(a)icsl.ucla.edu; > paulej(a)packetizer.com; soyoung_kim(a)samsung.com; ttian(a)icsl.ucla.edu; > villa(a)icsl.ucla.edu; yllee(a)samsung.com > Betreff: RE: AW: H.323 Annex I > > > Dear experts, > For what it is worth, I also strongly support using H.263 in this > work. If we base the work on 26L, we not only have the problems > pointed out regarding working with a pre-standard algorithm, > but we would in addition be ignoring the very important and very > relevant problem of the specific performance of Annex I when combined > with H.263. This particular problem is of high importance to > implementers in the short and long term. We owe it to ourselves > and to the other potential users of Annex I ensure its suitability > with the underlying video algorithm with which it is most likely > to be used for the foreseeable future. > Thanks, > John Villasenor > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ For help on this mail list, send "HELP ITU-SG16" in a message to listserv(a)mailbag.intel.com

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Affiliate agreement
by ye＠CYTANET.COM.CY 18 Feb '01

18 Feb '01

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RE: AW: H.323 Annex I
by John D. Villasenor 17 Feb '01

17 Feb '01

Dear experts, For what it is worth, I also strongly support using H.263 in this work. If we base the work on 26L, we not only have the problems pointed out regarding working with a pre-standard algorithm, but we would in addition be ignoring the very important and very relevant problem of the specific performance of Annex I when combined with H.263. This particular problem is of high importance to implementers in the short and long term. We owe it to ourselves and to the other potential users of Annex I ensure its suitability with the underlying video algorithm with which it is most likely to be used for the foreseeable future. Thanks, John Villasenor

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Meeting Registration Deadline reminder
by Christian Groves 17 Feb '01

17 Feb '01

Dear Sg16 experts, Please be reminded that the deadline for registrations with the meeting host for the Launceston WP2/16 meeting is on the 19th of February. Please register your participation ASAP to assist the host with planning for the meeting according to the host's invitation at the ftp site: http://standard.pictel.com/ftp/avc-site/0103_Lau/Ericsson_invitation_a.zip Regards, Christian Groves Dear SG16 experts, The Launceston meeting of WP2/16 experts is rapidly approaching. Please be reminded that the SG16 management requires a sufficient number of participants AND contributions to justify holding a Rapporteur meeting. Please register your participation and submission of contribution as quickly as possible according to the host's invitation and the meeting notice available at the ftp site: ** Participation: Send your form in http://standard.pictel.com/ftp/avc-site/0103_Lau/Ericsson_invitation_a.zip to the meeting host not later than 19 February. ** Document submission: Ask P Jones <paulej(a)packetizer.com> for AVD-xxxx number according to the procedure in http://standard.pictel.com/ftp/avc-site/0103_Lau/Notice_AVD_Launceston.txt by 23 February at the latest. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ For help on this mail list, send "HELP ITU-SG16" in a message to listserv(a)mailbag.intel.com

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Location of current work on H.323 Annex P
by Roy Spitzer 16 Feb '01

16 Feb '01

I would like to review the current work on H.323 Annex P (modem relay standardization). I do not know where to get this information or how to get on the discussion list. Regards, Roy Roy Spitzer Telogy Networks, Inc. Phone: (301) 515-6531 20250 Century Blvd. Fax: (301) 515-7954 Germantown, MD 20874 Email: rspitzer(a)telogy.com Telogy Networks, Inc. is a totally owned subsidiary of Texas Instruments. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ For help on this mail list, send "HELP ITU-SG16" in a message to listserv(a)mailbag.intel.com

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Re: H.248 Implementors' Guide Additions v2
by Tom-PT Taylor 16 Feb '01

16 Feb '01

I'll put a copy in the Megaco Current directory at ftp://standards.nortelnetworks.com/megaco/docs/Current/ NOTE that this is not an approved document, so use at your own risk. Approved documents go into the Approved directory. If you have any comments on the document as is, please send them on. > -----Original Message----- > From: Christian Groves [mailto:Christian.Groves@ericsson.com] > Sent: Friday, February 16, 2001 1:45 AM > To: MEGACO(a)marvin.corpeast.baynetworks.com; SG16 > Subject: H.248 Implementors' Guide Additions v2 > > > G'Day all, > > I have updated the proposed additions to the H.248 Implementors' Guide > to v2. It can be found at: > ftp://standard.pictel.com/avc-site/Incoming/ > > files: > TD-xxx_H248_Implementors_Additions_v2.doc > TD-xxx_H248_Implementors_Additions_v2.pdf > > I intend submitting a v3 document containing correction to v2 to the > SG16 Launceston meeting (5-9 March). > > Cheers, Christian >

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by Yann Bole-Feysot 16 Feb '01

16 Feb '01

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Call for Papers IWDC 2001 on "Evolutionary Trends of the Internet"
by Sergio Palazzo 16 Feb '01

16 Feb '01

========================================================== [Our apologies if you receive multiple copies of this cfp] ========================================================== It is our pleasure to announce the 2001 Tyrrhenian International Workshop on Digital Communications - Evolutionary Trends of the Internet. Original contributions are solicited. If you plan to submit a paper, please let me know at your earliest convenience. The submission deadline is March 15th. We are appending a call for papers for your information. Please feel free to distribute it widely to other potentially interested parties. Best regards, Sergio Palazzo, General Chair --------------------------------------------------------------------- Call for papers --------------------------------------------------------------------- 2001 Tyrrhenian International Workshop on Digital Communications IWDC 2001 Evolutionary Trends of the Internet September 17-20, 2001 CapoTaormina Hotel, Taormina, Italy http://www.cnit.it/events/tyrr2001 -------------------------------------------------------------------- In recent years the Internet has seen a tremendous growth in terms of amount of traffic and number of users. At present, a primary technical objective is to provide advanced IP networking services to support an evolving set of new applications like, for example, IP-telephony, video teleconferencing, Web TV, multimedia retrieval, remote access to and control of laboratory equipment and instruments. To achieve the objective, the Internet must transition from a best-effort paradigm without service differentiation to one where specific Quality of Service (QoS) requirements can be met for different service classes in terms of bandwidth, delay and delay jitter. Another crucial goal is the ubiquitous deployment of a wide variety of advanced services over the global network resulting from the effective integration of wireless and satellite segments into the future Internet. Although many researchers and engineers around the world have been working on these challenging issues, several problems remain open. The 2001 edition of the Tyrrhenian International Workshop on Digital Communications, focused on the Evolutionary Trends of the Internet, will constitute a highly selective forum aimed to cover diverse aspects of the next generation of IP networks. The single-track workshop program will be structured in technical sessions organized by leading researchers in the field, which will accommodate invited and regular papers selected on an open-call basis. The technical program will also include a poster session, where presentations will refer to short papers reporting prominent - but still in progress - research work. All submissions will be peer-reviewed by three members of the International Program Committee. Accepted papers (both regular and short) will be published by Springer-Verlag in the workshop proceedings, which will be copyrighted and widely disseminated. Contributions are solicited on all topics concerning advanced research issues in IP networking, including (but not limited to): · QoS in the next generation Internet · Real-time services support over the Internet · Multicast and routing in IP networks · Mobile and wireless Internet access · Satellite IP networking · WDM technologies for the next generation Internet · Performance analysis of Internet protocols Paper Submission Guidelines Manuscripts to be considered as regular papers should be original work limited to 20 double-spaced pages. Work-in-progress papers to be considered for the poster session should be limited to 10 double-spaced pages. Any paper submitted to the Workshop must not have been published in or submitted to other technical conferences/journals. Only electronic submissions will be accepted. The preferred format for electronic submission is PDF suitable for Acrobat Reader, or Postscript. All submissions must be sent to the workshop General Chair. Important dates: · Paper submission due: March 15, 2001 · Acceptance Notification: April 30, 2001 · Camera-ready Paper: May 31, 2001 General Chair: Sergio Palazzo, University of Catania, Italy (palazzo(a)iit.unict.it) Technical Session Organizers: Anthony Acampora, University of California San Diego, USA Ian Akyildiz, Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta, USA Imrich Chlamtac, University of Texas, Dallas, USA Mario Gerla, UCLA, Los Angeles, USA Magda El Zarki, University of California, Irvine, USA Jim Kurose, University of Massachusetts, Amherst, USA Jorg Liebeherr, University of Virginia, Charlottesville, USA Technical Program Committee members: Marco Ajmone Marsan, Politecnico di Torino, Italy Guido Albertengo, Politecnico di Torino, Italy Giuseppe Bianchi, University of Palermo, Italy Nicola Blefari Melazzi, University of Perugia, Italy Andrew Campbell, Columbia University, USA Giorgio Corazza, University of Bologna, Italy Franco Davoli, University of Genova, Italy Christophe Diot, Sprint ATL, USA Serge Fdida, University Pierre et Marie Curie, France Luigi Fratta, Politecnico di Milano, Italy Stefano Giordano, University of Pisa, Italy David Hutchison, Lancaster University, UK Gunnar Karlsson, Royal Institute of Technology, Sweden Edward Knightly, Rice University, USA Luciano Lenzini, University of Pisa, Italy Marco Listanti, Università di Roma "La Sapienza", Italy Alfio Lombardo, University of Catania, Italy Steven Low, Caltech, USA Riccardo Melen, Politecnico di Milano, Italy Giacomo Morabito, Georgia Institute of Technology, USA Fabio Neri, Politecnico di Torino, Italy Giovanni Pacifici, IBM T.J. Watson Research Center, USA Achille Pattavina, Politecnico di Milano, Italy George Polyzos, AUEB, Greece Catherine Rosenberg, Purdue University, USA Keith Ross, Institut Eurécom, France Gian Paolo Rossi, University of Milano, Italy Aldo Roveri, Università di Roma "La Sapienza", Italy Giovanni Schembra, University of Catania, Italy Terence Todd, McMaster University, Canada =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Prof. Sergio Palazzo Istituto di Informatica e Telecomunicazioni Universita' di Catania Viale A. Doria, 6 - 95125 Catania (Italy) Tel: + 39 095 738 2370 Fax: + 39 095 338280 / + 39 095 738 2397 E-mail: palazzo(a)diit.unict.it WEB Page: http://www.cdc.unict.it/~spalazzo

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