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Proposed Change to ITU-SG16 Mail List Procedures
by Meyer, Greg W 26 Sep '01

26 Sep '01

Dear ITU-SG16 Experts: I have noticed a dramatic increase in SPAM on the ITU-SG16 mail list. As administrator of the list, I would like to hear about a proposed change that will decrease the amount of SPAM and other mail messages including potentially harmful email (viruses, etc.). I can set LISTSERV to require the sender of a message to acknowledge the message before LISTSERV will send it. So to send a message, you would send it in the usual way but before it gets sent to the mail list, LISTSERV will send you a message. If you respond to the message, you authorize LISTSERV to send the message. Since most SPAM is spoofed, the "sender" will not acknowledge LISTSERV and the message will not get sent. I would appreciate hearing if there are any concerns with this method before I implement it. I will follow-up this email later to announce what action I have taken to this ITU-SG16 list. Thank you, Greg Meyer Intel Corporation email: greg.w.meyer(a)intel.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ For help on this mail list, send "HELP ITU-SG16" in a message to listserv(a)mailbag.intel.com

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Re: Proposed Change to ITU-SG16 Mail List Procedures
by Skran, Dale 26 Sep '01

26 Sep '01

Sounds like a great idea. Dale Skran -----Original Message----- From: Meyer, Greg W [mailto:greg.w.meyer@INTEL.COM] Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 9:17 PM To: ITU-SG16(a)mailbag.cps.INTEL.COM Subject: Proposed Change to ITU-SG16 Mail List Procedures Dear ITU-SG16 Experts: I have noticed a dramatic increase in SPAM on the ITU-SG16 mail list. As administrator of the list, I would like to hear about a proposed change that will decrease the amount of SPAM and other mail messages including potentially harmful email (viruses, etc.). I can set LISTSERV to require the sender of a message to acknowledge the message before LISTSERV will send it. So to send a message, you would send it in the usual way but before it gets sent to the mail list, LISTSERV will send you a message. If you respond to the message, you authorize LISTSERV to send the message. Since most SPAM is spoofed, the "sender" will not acknowledge LISTSERV and the message will not get sent. I would appreciate hearing if there are any concerns with this method before I implement it. I will follow-up this email later to announce what action I have taken to this ITU-SG16 list. Thank you, Greg Meyer Intel Corporation email: greg.w.meyer(a)intel.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ For help on this mail list, send "HELP ITU-SG16" in a message to listserv(a)mailbag.intel.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ For help on this mail list, send "HELP ITU-SG16" in a message to listserv(a)mailbag.intel.com

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Re: Proposed Change to ITU-SG16 Mail List Procedures
by Les Brown 26 Sep '01

26 Sep '01

Hal, The problem with this approach is that many companies use an outgoing email address that is different/modified from the users incoming address, so users would have to register both addresses (once they figure out that they have 2 addresses). I had this problem with a list that I maintained, so I found it easier to open it up to allow anyone to post to it. Les Brown At 08:46 AM 9/26/2001 -0400, you wrote: >Greetings, > >There is also another way to limit posting to the list that does not involve >the two-step process. The list can be limited so that only those registered >for the list can post to it. I know that is a feature of majordomo that I >use for some of my lists. > >Hal > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Meyer, Greg W [mailto:greg.w.meyer@INTEL.COM] > > Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 9:17 PM > > To: ITU-SG16(a)MAILBAG.INTEL.COM > > Subject: Proposed Change to ITU-SG16 Mail List Procedures > > > > > > Dear ITU-SG16 Experts: > > > > I have noticed a dramatic increase in SPAM on the ITU-SG16 > > mail list. As > > administrator of the list, I would like to hear about a > > proposed change that > > will decrease the amount of SPAM and other mail messages including > > potentially harmful email (viruses, etc.). > > > > I can set LISTSERV to require the sender of a message to > > acknowledge the > > message before LISTSERV will send it. So to send a message, > > you would send > > it in the usual way but before it gets sent to the mail list, > > LISTSERV will > > send you a message. If you respond to the message, you > > authorize LISTSERV to > > send the message. Since most SPAM is spoofed, the "sender" will not > > acknowledge LISTSERV and the message will not get sent. > > > > I would appreciate hearing if there are any concerns with > > this method before > > I implement it. I will follow-up this email later to announce > > what action I > > have taken to this ITU-SG16 list. > > > > Thank you, > > > > Greg Meyer > > Intel Corporation > > email: greg.w.meyer(a)intel.com > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > For help on this mail list, send "HELP ITU-SG16" in a message to > > listserv(a)mailbag.intel.com > > > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >For help on this mail list, send "HELP ITU-SG16" in a message to >listserv(a)mailbag.intel.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ For help on this mail list, send "HELP ITU-SG16" in a message to listserv(a)mailbag.intel.com

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AW: Proposed Change to ITU-SG16 Mail List Procedures
by Euchner Martin 26 Sep '01

26 Sep '01

Greg, I appreciate your initiative to reduce the email spam on this list. I understand that spam is at least annoying, but sometimes even dangerous when viruses are conveyed. Of course, an effective countermeasure is required, that is also simple to use. While I'm not a mailing list expert and do not know about the particular constraint of this list, my understanding is, that posting a message to this list now would become a 2 stage process. This could counter the spam but at the price of user friendliness. My slight concern is, that some people might feel discouraged to post something just because the procedure sounds complicated. As traffic has already decreased considerably as compared to former years, we should seek for a procedure that does not put burden on the honest users. I'm not certain whether anybody can send stuff to this list, regardless of being subscribed or not. Thus, this sounds as a minimal precaution to make sure that any posting origins just from an authorized email address, where authorization means that the originator has been registered by the mailing list administrator. Is the listserv system able to check this? Would this help? Kind Regards Martin Euchner. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- | Dipl.-Inf. Phone: +49 89 722 55790 | Martin Euchner Fax : +49 89 722 46841 | Siemens AG | ICN M SR 3 mailto:Martin.Euchner@icn.siemens.de <mailto:Martin.Euchner@icn.siemens.de> | mailto:martin.euchner@ties.itu.int <mailto:martin.euchner@ties.itu.int> | Hofmannstr. 51 Intranet: http://intranet.icn.siemens.de/marketing/sr/pages/122/122_euchner.htm <http://intranet.icn.siemens.de/marketing/cs27/> | D-81359 Muenchen Internet: http://www.siemens.de <http://www.siemens.de> | __________________ | Germany ----------------------------------------------------------------------- -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Meyer, Greg W [SMTP:greg.w.meyer@INTEL.COM] Gesendet am: Mittwoch, 26. September 2001 03:17 An: ITU-SG16(a)mailbag.cps.INTEL.COM Betreff: Proposed Change to ITU-SG16 Mail List Procedures Dear ITU-SG16 Experts: I have noticed a dramatic increase in SPAM on the ITU-SG16 mail list. As administrator of the list, I would like to hear about a proposed change that will decrease the amount of SPAM and other mail messages including potentially harmful email (viruses, etc.). I can set LISTSERV to require the sender of a message to acknowledge the message before LISTSERV will send it. So to send a message, you would send it in the usual way but before it gets sent to the mail list, LISTSERV will send you a message. If you respond to the message, you authorize LISTSERV to send the message. Since most SPAM is spoofed, the "sender" will not acknowledge LISTSERV and the message will not get sent. I would appreciate hearing if there are any concerns with this method before I implement it. I will follow-up this email later to announce what action I have taken to this ITU-SG16 list. Thank you, Greg Meyer Intel Corporation email: greg.w.meyer(a)intel.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ For help on this mail list, send "HELP ITU-SG16" in a message to listserv(a)mailbag.intel.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ For help on this mail list, send "HELP ITU-SG16" in a message to listserv(a)mailbag.intel.com

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Re: Proposed Change to ITU-SG16 Mail List Procedures
by Tom-PT Taylor 26 Sep '01

26 Sep '01

For the reasons Dr. Okubo cited, Martin's two-stage procedure is probably better for the purpose. I've administered the Megaco list on three systems now: majordomo, listserv, and mailman. Of them all, only mailman allows me to specify spam filters, to a limited extent. I have to be extremely careful, because IETF rules really do not permit any hint of moderation of true list discussion. However, it's amazing how effective a simple rule like: "Hold messages without a specific addressee" can be. -----Original Message----- From: Folts, Harold [mailto:foltsh@NCS.GOV] Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 8:47 AM To: ITU-SG16(a)MAILBAG.INTEL.COM Subject: Re: Proposed Change to ITU-SG16 Mail List Procedures Greetings, There is also another way to limit posting to the list that does not involve the two-step process. The list can be limited so that only those registered for the list can post to it. I know that is a feature of majordomo that I use for some of my lists. Hal > -----Original Message----- > From: Meyer, Greg W [mailto:greg.w.meyer@INTEL.COM] > Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 9:17 PM > To: ITU-SG16(a)MAILBAG.INTEL.COM > Subject: Proposed Change to ITU-SG16 Mail List Procedures > > > Dear ITU-SG16 Experts: > > I have noticed a dramatic increase in SPAM on the ITU-SG16 > mail list. As > administrator of the list, I would like to hear about a > proposed change that > will decrease the amount of SPAM and other mail messages including > potentially harmful email (viruses, etc.). > > I can set LISTSERV to require the sender of a message to > acknowledge the > message before LISTSERV will send it. So to send a message, > you would send > it in the usual way but before it gets sent to the mail list, > LISTSERV will > send you a message. If you respond to the message, you > authorize LISTSERV to > send the message. Since most SPAM is spoofed, the "sender" will not > acknowledge LISTSERV and the message will not get sent. > > I would appreciate hearing if there are any concerns with > this method before > I implement it. I will follow-up this email later to announce > what action I > have taken to this ITU-SG16 list. > > Thank you, > > Greg Meyer > Intel Corporation > email: greg.w.meyer(a)intel.com > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > For help on this mail list, send "HELP ITU-SG16" in a message to > listserv(a)mailbag.intel.com > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ For help on this mail list, send "HELP ITU-SG16" in a message to listserv(a)mailbag.intel.com

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Re: Proposed Change to ITU-SG16 Mail List Procedures
by Folts, Harold 26 Sep '01

26 Sep '01

Greetings, There is also another way to limit posting to the list that does not involve the two-step process. The list can be limited so that only those registered for the list can post to it. I know that is a feature of majordomo that I use for some of my lists. Hal > -----Original Message----- > From: Meyer, Greg W [mailto:greg.w.meyer@INTEL.COM] > Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 9:17 PM > To: ITU-SG16(a)MAILBAG.INTEL.COM > Subject: Proposed Change to ITU-SG16 Mail List Procedures > > > Dear ITU-SG16 Experts: > > I have noticed a dramatic increase in SPAM on the ITU-SG16 > mail list. As > administrator of the list, I would like to hear about a > proposed change that > will decrease the amount of SPAM and other mail messages including > potentially harmful email (viruses, etc.). > > I can set LISTSERV to require the sender of a message to > acknowledge the > message before LISTSERV will send it. So to send a message, > you would send > it in the usual way but before it gets sent to the mail list, > LISTSERV will > send you a message. If you respond to the message, you > authorize LISTSERV to > send the message. Since most SPAM is spoofed, the "sender" will not > acknowledge LISTSERV and the message will not get sent. > > I would appreciate hearing if there are any concerns with > this method before > I implement it. I will follow-up this email later to announce > what action I > have taken to this ITU-SG16 list. > > Thank you, > > Greg Meyer > Intel Corporation > email: greg.w.meyer(a)intel.com > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > For help on this mail list, send "HELP ITU-SG16" in a message to > listserv(a)mailbag.intel.com > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ For help on this mail list, send "HELP ITU-SG16" in a message to listserv(a)mailbag.intel.com

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by Vidyasagar L 26 Sep '01

26 Sep '01

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Uploaded AVD-2102
by Even ,Roni 25 Sep '01

25 Sep '01

Hi, I uploaded to the incoming directory my contribution AVD-2102 MCU decomposition Regards Roni Even ********************************************** Roni Even VP Product Planning Polycom Israel Tel: +972-3-9251200 Fax: +972-3-9211571 Email: roni.even(a)polycom.co.il ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ For help on this mail list, send "HELP ITU-SG16" in a message to listserv(a)mailbag.intel.com

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Meeting Notice (URGENT)
by Paul E. Jones 24 Sep '01

24 Sep '01

Dear Experts, As you are aware, we have been working to re-schedule the ITU-T SG16 Q2-5,D,F, and G Rapporteur's meeting. We now have a final date and location for the meeting: the week of 29 October 2001 in Dublin, Ireland. Please find the attached meeting notice and hotel reservation form for details of the meeting. NOTE: Hotel reservations must be made no later than 28 September 2001. If you plan to attend the meeting in Dublin, please notify me by e-mail as soon as possible. If you had previously registered for the meeting in Santa Barbara, please send me an e-mail indicating whether you will or will not be attending the meeting in Dublin, Ireland. Any documents that were previously registered for the meeting in Santa Barbara will not need to be registered again. However, authors may feel free to revise and send updated drafts until the deadlines posted in the meeting notice. Also note that the registration period for new contributions ends 19 October 2001. On behalf of the Rapporteurs, I want to thank you for your patience as we struggled with this issue in the face of the events that took place September 11, 2001. We look forward to seeing you in Dublin. Best Regards, Paul E. Jones

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by ittinfo100＠EXCITE.COM 24 Sep '01

24 Sep '01

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