February 2001 - sg16-avd - lists.packetizer.com

Transfer Mode encoding in Bearer Capability
by Aggarwal, Mitu 20 Feb '01

20 Feb '01

The encoding of the Bearer Capabilities as defined by H.225 version 2 specs in section 7.2.2.1, says that the Transfer Mode SHALL specify "circuit mode". Can anyone tell me why H.225 chooses to use "circuit mode" instead of "packet mode"? Q.931 in fact specifies that this field should be encoded as "packet mode". Regards, Mitu Aggarwal Intel Corp. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ For help on this mail list, send "HELP ITU-SG16" in a message to listserv(a)mailbag.intel.com

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suscribe
by Aziz ABOUCHI 20 Feb '01

20 Feb '01

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AW: AW: H.323 Annex I
by Baese Gero 19 Feb '01

19 Feb '01

Dear Stephan, experts, thank you for your exact description of the current situation concerning the H.263 software. Unfortunately, other parts of your email are quite confusing I guess. I will try to clarify several points. First of all - fairness. We consider it unfair to use a professional, for speed and quality, optimized version of the software instead of an officially available H.263/L. I myself are involved in H.26L standardization, as you know. It's not a secret. I was involved in H.263 standardization as well. I can't see any unfairness in working for different groups of the ITU or knowing other people working for other parts of the organisation. Several times we stressed the point that the results have to be reproducible by everybody. An official version of the software should be used. The test scenario should be agreed on by both parties. If there is anything missing to exclude one-sided advantages please let us know. We are completely aware of possibly technical changes of H.26L. We are not going to optimize Annex I for any special video codec. Using it is a pragmatic solution to the problem of the lack of officially available software for H.263. >From a university point of view it might look different. For companies H.263 is reality and H.26L will be the next standard used in products. Caused by the AAP adopted by the ITU standards will arrive much earlier at the market now. Hope this helps everybody to understand our intentions. Best Wishes Gero Baese > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > Von: Stephan Wenger [mailto:stewe@cs.tu-berlin.de] > Gesendet am: Freitag, 16. Februar 2001 03:12 > An: Baese Gero > Cc: ITU-SG16(a)mailbag.cps.INTEL.COM > Betreff: Re: AW: H.323 Annex I > > Dear Gero, > > At 05:32 PM 2/14/2001 +0100, Baese Gero wrote: > > [...] > > >If there is no official software available for H.263 containing > >all annexes needed for the tests, as Stephan Wenger pointed > out, we can > >only restrict ourselves to H.26L. Otherwise we are not comparing our > >methods but rather special implementations of a video coding > standard. > > I don't believe it be wise to resort on H.26L, for at least > three reasons: > > 1. H.26L is in a relatively early stage of standardization, > and especially > the network adaptation layers are bound to change > significantly. While > there is a controlled software available, this software is > going to change > often at least for another year. Not a good start if you > want to have > reproducible results. > 2. Due to its computational complexity and due to the timing of > standardization and development of H.26L, it will likely take > several years before the first H.26L products will be > available. Hence > there is little point to rush out an Annex I that is optimized > (explicitly or implicitly) for H.26L. And, once it is out, it will > probably not see deployment in the mobile field at first, again > due to its computational complexity. > 3. An argument of fairness: Thomas Stockhammer, one of the key > contributors of the error resilience / NAL work in H.26L, > is somewhat > attached to the Siemens/HHI/TU Muenchen group. Not exactly fair, > considering that, as far as I know, UCLA and Samsung are not > directly involved in the H.26L standardization process. H.263++, > in contrast, is a ratified standard and thus gives anyone a chance > to implement it the best way he/she can. > > I don't really know why I bother to write this EMail at all; you know > my position on Annex I in general... I guess, point #3 and a personal > inclination to fairness is my main reason. > > Stephan > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ For help on this mail list, send "HELP ITU-SG16" in a message to listserv(a)mailbag.intel.com

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AW: AW: H.323 Annex I
by Baese Gero 19 Feb '01

19 Feb '01

Dear Mr. Villasenor, experts, we completely agree using H.263 would be worthwhile. Using H.263 and H.26L was requested by the group at the Geneva meeting. Unfortunately there is no appropriate H.263 software available at the ITU. For H.26L the software exists. We raised the question at the meeting already. Since then we tried to find a solution with the representative of your department. Unfortunately we've got the first answer but now. Now the deadline is approching and our proposal (to restrict ourselves to H.26L) was a pragmatic solution to get comparable results for the meeting. We also want to use H.263, on the other hand using proprietary software wouldn't provide the group with material to base a decision on. Additionally it would be an enormous advantage for one side. Hopefully our intention is better understandable now and you are supporting a quickly reached decision based on our proposals. Best Wishes Gero Baese > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > Von: John D. Villasenor [mailto:villa@icsl.ucla.edu] > Gesendet am: Sonntag, 18. Februar 2001 01:15 > An: Gero.X.Baese(a)MCHP.SIEMENS.DE; adamli(a)icsl.ucla.edu; > cITU-SG16(a)mailbag.cps.INTEL.COM > Cc: baronson(a)ieee.org; jeonghoon(a)samsung.com; jfahlen(a)icsl.ucla.edu; > paulej(a)packetizer.com; soyoung_kim(a)samsung.com; ttian(a)icsl.ucla.edu; > villa(a)icsl.ucla.edu; yllee(a)samsung.com > Betreff: RE: AW: H.323 Annex I > > > Dear experts, > For what it is worth, I also strongly support using H.263 in this > work. If we base the work on 26L, we not only have the problems > pointed out regarding working with a pre-standard algorithm, > but we would in addition be ignoring the very important and very > relevant problem of the specific performance of Annex I when combined > with H.263. This particular problem is of high importance to > implementers in the short and long term. We owe it to ourselves > and to the other potential users of Annex I ensure its suitability > with the underlying video algorithm with which it is most likely > to be used for the foreseeable future. > Thanks, > John Villasenor > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ For help on this mail list, send "HELP ITU-SG16" in a message to listserv(a)mailbag.intel.com

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Affiliate agreement
by ye＠CYTANET.COM.CY 18 Feb '01

18 Feb '01

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RE: AW: H.323 Annex I
by John D. Villasenor 18 Feb '01

18 Feb '01

Dear experts, For what it is worth, I also strongly support using H.263 in this work. If we base the work on 26L, we not only have the problems pointed out regarding working with a pre-standard algorithm, but we would in addition be ignoring the very important and very relevant problem of the specific performance of Annex I when combined with H.263. This particular problem is of high importance to implementers in the short and long term. We owe it to ourselves and to the other potential users of Annex I ensure its suitability with the underlying video algorithm with which it is most likely to be used for the foreseeable future. Thanks, John Villasenor

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Meeting Registration Deadline reminder
by Christian Groves 17 Feb '01

17 Feb '01

Dear Sg16 experts, Please be reminded that the deadline for registrations with the meeting host for the Launceston WP2/16 meeting is on the 19th of February. Please register your participation ASAP to assist the host with planning for the meeting according to the host's invitation at the ftp site: http://standard.pictel.com/ftp/avc-site/0103_Lau/Ericsson_invitation_a.zip Regards, Christian Groves Dear SG16 experts, The Launceston meeting of WP2/16 experts is rapidly approaching. Please be reminded that the SG16 management requires a sufficient number of participants AND contributions to justify holding a Rapporteur meeting. Please register your participation and submission of contribution as quickly as possible according to the host's invitation and the meeting notice available at the ftp site: ** Participation: Send your form in http://standard.pictel.com/ftp/avc-site/0103_Lau/Ericsson_invitation_a.zip to the meeting host not later than 19 February. ** Document submission: Ask P Jones <paulej(a)packetizer.com> for AVD-xxxx number according to the procedure in http://standard.pictel.com/ftp/avc-site/0103_Lau/Notice_AVD_Launceston.txt by 23 February at the latest. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ For help on this mail list, send "HELP ITU-SG16" in a message to listserv(a)mailbag.intel.com

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17 Feb '01

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Location of current work on H.323 Annex P
by Roy Spitzer 16 Feb '01

16 Feb '01

I would like to review the current work on H.323 Annex P (modem relay standardization). I do not know where to get this information or how to get on the discussion list. Regards, Roy Roy Spitzer Telogy Networks, Inc. Phone: (301) 515-6531 20250 Century Blvd. Fax: (301) 515-7954 Germantown, MD 20874 Email: rspitzer(a)telogy.com Telogy Networks, Inc. is a totally owned subsidiary of Texas Instruments. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ For help on this mail list, send "HELP ITU-SG16" in a message to listserv(a)mailbag.intel.com

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Re: H.248 Implementors' Guide Additions v2
by Tom-PT Taylor 16 Feb '01

16 Feb '01

I'll put a copy in the Megaco Current directory at ftp://standards.nortelnetworks.com/megaco/docs/Current/ NOTE that this is not an approved document, so use at your own risk. Approved documents go into the Approved directory. If you have any comments on the document as is, please send them on. > -----Original Message----- > From: Christian Groves [mailto:Christian.Groves@ericsson.com] > Sent: Friday, February 16, 2001 1:45 AM > To: MEGACO(a)marvin.corpeast.baynetworks.com; SG16 > Subject: H.248 Implementors' Guide Additions v2 > > > G'Day all, > > I have updated the proposed additions to the H.248 Implementors' Guide > to v2. It can be found at: > ftp://standard.pictel.com/avc-site/Incoming/ > > files: > TD-xxx_H248_Implementors_Additions_v2.doc > TD-xxx_H248_Implementors_Additions_v2.pdf > > I intend submitting a v3 document containing correction to v2 to the > SG16 Launceston meeting (5-9 March). > > Cheers, Christian >

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