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<DIV><SPAN class=560442423-20062001><FONT face=Arial color=#800000 size=2>Hi
Bob,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=560442423-20062001><FONT face=Arial color=#800000
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=560442423-20062001><FONT face=Arial color=#800000 size=2>I
understand what you are saying (and I fully agree). However, H.323v4 section
7.8.2.1 on Calling party number contradicts H.225.0 with the
following:</FONT></SPAN><SPAN class=560442423-20062001> </DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<P class=MsoNormal>When address information represents a telephone number, the
relevant information may appear in the Calling Party Number IE. This IE
contains the caller's number, information about the number, and presentation
and screening indicators found in octet 3a. This is the recommended mode of
operation for the case where a PSTN Gateway sends a Setup message on the
packet network.</P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA">Alternatively,
calling party information may appear in the </SPAN><SPAN class=ASN1word><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA"><STRONG>sourceAddress</STRONG></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA">,
</SPAN><SPAN class=ASN1word><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA"><STRONG>presentationIndicator</STRONG></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA">,
and </SPAN><SPAN class=ASN1word><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA"><STRONG>screeningIndicator</STRONG></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA">
fields of the Setup message. This mode of operation is required when the
</SPAN><SPAN class=ASN1word><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA"><STRONG>sourceAddress</STRONG></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA">
is not in any form of telephone number (i.e., </SPAN><SPAN
class=ASN1word><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA"><STRONG>sourceAddress</STRONG></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA">
is not type a </SPAN><SPAN class=ASN1word><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA"><STRONG>dialedDigits</STRONG></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA">
or </SPAN><SPAN class=ASN1word><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA"><STRONG>partyNumber</STRONG></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA">).</SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
class=560442423-20062001><FONT face=Arial color=#800000
size=2></FONT></SPAN></P></BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV><SPAN class=560442423-20062001><FONT face=Arial color=#800000 size=2>I'm
saying that <U>H.323v4 is misleading</U> and should really say the
following to be consistent with H.225.0v4.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=560442423-20062001></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<P class=MsoNormal>When address information represents a<SPAN
class=560442423-20062001> <FONT color=#ff0000><U>public
(E.164)</U></FONT> telphone number <FONT
color=#ff0000><U>or a</U></FONT></SPAN><FONT
color=#ff0000><U> telephone number<SPAN class=560442423-20062001> of
unknown type</SPAN></U></FONT>, the relevant information may appear in the
Calling Party Number IE. This IE contains the caller's number, information
about the number, and presentation and screening indicators found in octet 3a.
This is the recommended mode of operation for the case where a PSTN Gateway
sends a Setup message on the packet network.</P>
<DIV><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA">Alternatively,
calling party information may appear in the </SPAN><SPAN class=ASN1word><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA"><STRONG>sourceAddress</STRONG></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA">,
</SPAN><SPAN class=ASN1word><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA"><STRONG>presentationIndicator</STRONG></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA">,
and </SPAN><SPAN class=ASN1word><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA"><STRONG>screeningIndicator</STRONG></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA">
fields of the Setup message. This mode of operation is required when the
</SPAN><SPAN class=ASN1word><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA"><STRONG>sourceAddress</STRONG></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA">
is not in any form of <U><FONT color=#ff0000>a public or
unknown</FONT></U> telephone number (i.e., </SPAN><SPAN
class=ASN1word><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA"><STRONG>sourceAddress</STRONG></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA">
is not type a </SPAN><SPAN class=ASN1word><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA"><STRONG>dialedDigits</STRONG></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA">
or </SPAN><SPAN class=ASN1word><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA"><STRONG>partyNumber<U><FONT
color=#ff0000>.<SPAN
class=560442423-20062001>164Number</SPAN></FONT></U></STRONG></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA"><FONT
color=#ff0000>); an example of such a case is a Private Number which shall be
encoded in a sourceAddress.partyNumber.private<SPAN
class=560442423-20062001>Number</SPAN>.</FONT></SPAN></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA"><FONT
face=Arial color=#800000 size=2><SPAN class=560442423-20062001>Same applies for
7.8.2.2.</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA"><FONT
face=Arial color=#800000 size=2><SPAN
class=560442423-20062001></SPAN></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA"><FONT
face=Arial color=#800000 size=2><SPAN
class=560442423-20062001>Right?</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></SPAN></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr
style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #800000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Callaghan, Robert
[mailto:Robert.Callaghan@icn.siemens.com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, June 20,
2001 11:59 AM<BR><B>To:</B> Audet, Francois [SC2:4K02:EXCH]; 'Glenn FREUNDLICH
(E-mail)'<BR><B>Cc:</B> 'SG16 ITU-T (E-mail)'; 'Paul JONES
(E-mail)'<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: Private telephone number in
H.323v4<BR><BR></DIV></FONT>
<DIV class=Section1>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN class=EmailStyle20><FONT face=Arial color=navy
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">Francois,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN class=EmailStyle20><FONT face=Arial color=navy
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt"><![if !supportEmptyParas]><![endif]> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN class=EmailStyle20><FONT face=Arial color=navy
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">See
H.225.0 Section 7.2.2.4 (Called Party
Number):<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN class=EmailStyle20><FONT face=Arial color=navy
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt"><![if !supportEmptyParas]><![endif]> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><I style="mso-bidi-font-style: normal"><FONT
face="Times New Roman" color=navy size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-STYLE: italic">Numbering plan
identification (octet #3, bit 1-4)</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=navy><SPAN
style="COLOR: navy; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></I></P>
<P class=enumlev1><FONT face=Symbol color=navy size=3><SPAN lang=EN-GB
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Symbol"><SPAN
style="mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt">-<SPAN
style="mso-tab-count: 1"> <FONT
face="Courier New"></FONT><FONT face="Courier New"></FONT><FONT FACE="Courier New"></FONT>
</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></FONT><FONT color=navy><SPAN lang=EN-GB
style="COLOR: navy">Encoded following the values and rules of Table 4-9/Q.931.
If set to "1001" (Private Numbering Plan) in a packet based network originated
call, this indicates that (1)the E.164 address is not present in SETUP, and
(2)the call will be routed via an alias address in the user-to-user
information.</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=navy><SPAN lang=EN-GB
style="COLOR: navy; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN class=EmailStyle20><FONT face=Arial color=navy
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt"><![if !supportEmptyParas]><![endif]> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN class=EmailStyle20><FONT face=Arial color=navy
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">This
says that the identification of the Private Number Plan requires the call to
be routed based on an alias address in the UUI.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>This also means that the Private
Number Plan cannot indicate that a number conforming to a private numbering
plan is present in the IE.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN class=EmailStyle20><FONT face=Arial color=navy
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt"><![if !supportEmptyParas]><![endif]> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN class=EmailStyle20><FONT face=Arial color=navy
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">It is
possible to use the value indicating an Unknown Number Plan and place a
private number in the IE.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>However, this is only a digit string without any defined
structure.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN class=EmailStyle20><FONT face=Arial color=navy
size=2><SPAN
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Message-----<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> Francois
Audet [mailto:audet@nortelnetworks.com]<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Wednesday, June 20, 2001 1:40
PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> Callaghan, Robert;
'Glenn FREUNDLICH (E-mail)'<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Cc:</SPAN></B> 'SG16 ITU-T (E-mail)'; 'Paul JONES
(E-mail)'<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> RE:
Private telephone number in H.323v4</SPAN></FONT></P>
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Bob,</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black">
</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial color=maroon size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: maroon; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I'm not sure I
understand your point. </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial color=maroon size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: maroon; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">The way I read it
now:</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black">
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style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT><![endif]><FONT face=Arial color=maroon
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: maroon; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">H.323
says "Put a private number in the Q.931 IE"; and</SPAN></FONT><FONT
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style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: maroon; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">H.225.0 says "Put a
private number in the UUIE".</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial color=maroon size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: maroon; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Which one is it? I
think you are saying H.225.0 is right (I tend to agree and so does Paul). We
need to make sure everybody does (Glenn in particular), and H.323 should be
clarified, because I would assume most people who read it will think they are
supposed to put the IE in the Q.931 information element.</SPAN></FONT><FONT
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<BR></SPAN></FONT><B><FONT face=Arial color=black size=1><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 7.5pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">From: </SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial
color=black size=1><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 7.5pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Callaghan, Robert
[SMTP:Robert.Callaghan@icn.siemens.com]</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"> <BR></SPAN></FONT><B><FONT face=Arial color=black
size=1><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 7.5pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Sent: </SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial
color=black size=1><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 7.5pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Wednesday, June 20,
2001 05:00</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black">
<BR></SPAN></FONT><B><FONT face=Arial color=black size=1><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 7.5pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">To: </SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial
color=black size=1><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 7.5pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Audet, Francois
[SC2:4K02:EXCH]; 'Glenn FREUNDLICH (E-mail)'</SPAN></FONT><FONT
color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"> <BR></SPAN></FONT><B><FONT face=Arial
color=black size=1><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 7.5pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Cc: </SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial
color=black size=1><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 7.5pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">'SG16 ITU-T
(E-mail)'; 'Paul JONES (E-mail)'</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"> <BR></SPAN></FONT><B><FONT face=Arial color=black
size=1><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 7.5pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Subject: </SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial
color=black size=1><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 7.5pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">RE: Private
telephone number in H.323v4</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Francois,</SPAN></FONT><FONT
color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"> <BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial
color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT
color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"> <BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial
color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">The problem is that
both H.323 and H.225.0 state that in the Q.931 elements used for "telephone
numbers" the code point indicating the presence of a private number is used to
indicate that the address is in the UUI. It is not possible to conform
to this usage and to use this value to indicate that the Q.931 element
contains a private number.</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Bob</SPAN></FONT><FONT
color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"> <BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial
color=navy><SPAN
style="COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">-------------------------------------------------------</SPAN></FONT><FONT
color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"> <BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT
face="Cló Gaelach" color=#339966><SPAN
style="COLOR: #339966; FONT-FAMILY: 'Cló Gaelach'">Robert
Callaghan</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black">
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style="FONT-SIZE: 7.5pt; COLOR: navy">Siemens Enterprise
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">-----Original
Message-----<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> Francois
Audet [<A
href="mailto:audet@nortelnetworks.com">mailto:audet@nortelnetworks.com</A>]<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Tuesday, June 19, 2001 7:27
PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> Callaghan, Robert;
'Glenn FREUNDLICH (E-mail)'<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Cc:</SPAN></B> 'SG16 ITU-T (E-mail)'; 'Paul JONES
(E-mail)'<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Private
telephone number in H.323v4</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"> <BR> <BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial
color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Hi,</SPAN></FONT><FONT
color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"> <BR> <BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT
face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I just realize a
contradiction in H.323v4 and H.225.0v4 concerning the encoding of "private
telephone numbers" (i.e., the type we all use at work):</SPAN></FONT><FONT
color=black><SPAN
style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Symbol">·</SPAN></FONT><FONT
color=black size=1><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 7.5pt; COLOR: black"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT
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color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">H.225.0v4 says that
"Private telephone numbers" shall be encoded in the UUIE as private numbers,
and NOT in the Q.931 information elements (Calling party IE, etc.). Let's call
this the "Bob method". See Table 18/H.225.0 Note 1.</SPAN></FONT><FONT
color=black><SPAN
style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Symbol">·</SPAN></FONT><FONT
color=black size=1><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 7.5pt; COLOR: black"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT
color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial
color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">H.323v4 says that
the Q.931 information element is used for "telephone numbers", and that the
UUIE is used for things that are not telephone numbers. Let's call this the
"Glenn method". See H.323v4/7.8.2.1 and 7.8.2.2.</SPAN></FONT><FONT
color=black><SPAN
style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in"><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">There is no conflict
with both method for "public" telephone number, but there is a conflict for
"private" telephone numbers.</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black"> <BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT
face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Which method is
right, Bob's or Glenn's?</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"> <BR> <BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial
color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">----</SPAN></FONT><FONT
color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black"> <BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial
color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">François AUDET,
Nortel Networks</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black">
<BR></SPAN></FONT><U><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><<A
href="mailto:audet@nortelnetworks.com">mailto:audet@nortelnetworks.com</A>></SPAN></FONT></U><FONT
face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">, tel:+1 408 495
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