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<title>RE: fastStart element in all Q.931 messages up to and including Connect</title>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=EmailStyle19><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>It seems
bullet-prone to me.<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span class=EmailStyle19><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>If the </span></font></span><font
size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>called endpoint may choose to repeat the
exact same fastStart element in all subsequent message up to and including
Connect, then<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span class=EmailStyle19><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>The calling
endpoint may choose to expect the fastStart in Connect only. At the same time the
called endpoint is not required to send fastStart in Connect and may choose not
to send fastStart in Connect and as a result the calling endpoint may never get
fastStart in Connect and fast connect may fail miserably.<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span class=EmailStyle19><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'><![if !supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]><o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span class=EmailStyle19><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Isn’t it
clear that those are two mutually exclusive choices?<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>

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 <li class=MsoNormal style='color:navy;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1;tab-stops:list .5in'><span
     class=EmailStyle19><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
     style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>The
     called endpoint is required to include the fastStart element in only one
     Q.931 message.<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></li>
 <li class=MsoNormal style='color:navy;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1;tab-stops:list .5in'><span
     class=EmailStyle19><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
     style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>The
     called endpoint is required to </span></font></span><font size=2
     color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:
     12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>repeat the exact same fastStart
     element in all subsequent message up to and including Connect.</span></font><span
     class=EmailStyle19><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
     style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'><o:p></o:p></span></font></span></li>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span class=EmailStyle19><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'><![if !supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]><o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><span class=EmailStyle19><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>There is
no middle ground and no mix and matches are allowed, if we want to have bulletproof
fast connect procedure. Any correction in the standard must make it clear and
definite that it is either choice 1, or choice 2, but not both at the same time.<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>

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style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'><![if !supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]><o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>

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style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>AUTOTEXTLIST \s "E-mail 
Signature" <span style='mso-element:field-separator'></span></span></font></span><![endif]--><font
color=navy><span style='color:navy'>Danail Kirov</span></font><font color=navy><span
style='color:navy;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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style='font-size:12.0pt;color:navy'><![if !supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]></span></font><font
color=navy><span style='color:navy;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'>-----Original
Message-----<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> Francois Audet
[mailto:audet@nortelnetworks.com]<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, October 31, 2000
8:47 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> 'Paul E. Jones'; 'Anatoli
Levine'; Paul Long<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> h323implementors<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: fastStart element in
all Q.931 messages up to and including C onnect</span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'><![if !supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=maroon
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:maroon'>I have
not problem with your proposed addition.</span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=maroon
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:maroon'>It
seems bullet-proof to me.</span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt;
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padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font size=2 color=black
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'>-----Original
Message-----<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> Paul E. Jones
[mailto:paulej@packetizer.com]<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, October 30, 2000
10:34 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Audet, Francois
[SC2:4K02:EXCH]; 'Anatoli Levine'; Paul Long<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> h323implementors<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: fastStart element in
all Q.931 messages up to and including C onnect</span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
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padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font size=3 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Francois,</span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:39.75pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid maroon 1.5pt;
padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font size=3 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:39.75pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid maroon 1.5pt;
padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font size=3 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>You
proposed the following textual changes (see enclosed
in <NEW></NEW>):</span></font><font color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-family:Arial;color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> </span></font><font
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:39.75pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid maroon 1.5pt;
padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font size=3 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>The
called endpoint accepts a proposed channel by returning the corresponding
OpenLogicalChannel structure in </span></font><font color=blue face=Arial><span
style='font-family:Arial;color:blue'>a</span></font><font color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-family:Arial;color:black'> Q.931 message sent in
response to Setup, up to and including Connect. <NEW></span></font><font
color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-family:Arial;color:blue'>A called
endpoint may choose to repeat the exact same fastStart element in all
subsequent message up to and including Connect. Calling endpoints should react
to the first fastStart element received in a response message to the Setup
message and ignore any eventual subsequent fastStart elements.</span></font><font
color=black face=Arial><span style='font-family:Arial;color:black'></NEW></span></font><font
color=black face=Arial><span style='font-family:Arial;color:black;mso-color-alt:
windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>


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face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> </span></font><font
color=black face=Arial><span style='font-family:Arial;color:black;mso-color-alt:
windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:39.75pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid maroon 1.5pt;
padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font size=3 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>I don't
have any problem inserting this text into H.323, but I do fear that people will
rely on such repetitions and they may not happen.  Indeed, I would
state that <em><i>an H.323 entity shall not expect more than one response
to Fast Connect</i></em>.  I don't disagree with this text, because I always
encourage developers to be very tolerant of "noise" on the wire-- and
I consider repetitive data like this to be "noise". :-)</span></font><font
color=black face=Arial><span style='font-family:Arial;color:black;mso-color-alt:
windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
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face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> </span></font><font
color=black face=Arial><span style='font-family:Arial;color:black;mso-color-alt:
windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
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face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>You
call these religious arguments... they might be, but we really need closure on
this issue.  Unlike the MGCP vs H.248 debates, the world can live with two
media gateway control protocols.  However, I don't want to see vendors
split on implementation issues relating to H.323: that's not good for anybody
at all.  If we don't come to an agreement on it here and now, you
know that we'll be correcting it as a customer fumes over interoperability
issues later on.  I'd much rather see us agree to something than to bring
grief upon our customers.</span></font><font color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-family:Arial;color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Can
everyone live with the above textual changes?  Do we need more? 
Is it well understood that there <em><i>may</i></em> be one and only one
response containing fastStart?</span></font><font color=black face=Arial><span
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face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Paul</span></font><font
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face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>-----
Original Message ----- </span></font><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
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<div style='font-color:black'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> <a
href="mailto:audet@nortelnetworks.com" title="audet@nortelnetworks.com">Francois
Audet</a> </span></font></div>

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Arial;color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black;
font-weight:bold'>To:</span></font></b><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> <a
href="mailto:alevine@RADVISION.COM" title="alevine@RADVISION.COM">'Anatoli
Levine'</a> </span></font><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black;
font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></font></b><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> <a
href="mailto:h323implementors@imtc.org" title="h323implementors@imtc.org">h323implementors@imtc.org</a>
</span></font><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black;
font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></font></b><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> Monday, October 30,
2000 5:51 PM</span></font><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black;
font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></font></b><font size=2 color=black
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> RE:
fastStart element in all Q.931 messages up to and including C onnect</span></font><font
size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'><![if !supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]></span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p style='margin-left:43.5pt;border:none;mso-border-left-alt:solid black 1.5pt;
padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font size=2 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>> I
disagree with your claim that the stack which sends </span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><br>
</span></font><font size=2 color=black><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>> multiple Fast Start</span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=2 color=black><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>> responses (as long as they are identical) is not compliant </span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><br>
</span></font><font size=2 color=black><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>> with the standard -</span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=2 color=black><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>> none of the citations you used claim that ONLY ONE Q.931 </span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><br>
</span></font><font size=2 color=black><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>> message can carry Fast</span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=2 color=black><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>> Start information. I believe that the wording should be </span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><br>
</span></font><font size=2 color=black><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>> changed to explicitly</span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=2 color=black><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>> allow Fast Start elements to be sent in every Q.931 message </span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black'><br>
</span></font><font size=2 color=black><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>> up to Connect as</span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=2 color=black><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>> long as information in those messages stays the same.</span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black'> </span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font size=2 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>Correct. That
was my proposal too. I didn't keep the exact wording I had.</span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=2 color=black><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>Paul Jones probably still has it.</span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black'> </span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black;
mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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padding:0in;mso-padding-alt:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><font size=2 color=black
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>These
religious arguments over "one" or "many" are getting
nowhere. It</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=2 color=black><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>seems that sending one and sending many are a fait accomplit. Not
much</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black'> <br>
</span></font><font size=2 color=black><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>we can do about it except tell the implementor about it.</span></font><font
color=black><span style='color:black'> </span></font><font color=black><span
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