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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Francois,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Noted... I'll add that to my list of corrections for
H.323v4 unless somebody screams loudly. This should also be inserted into
the Implementers Guide, too, I suppose.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Paul</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
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style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=audet@nortelnetworks.com
href="mailto:audet@nortelnetworks.com">Francois Audet</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=h323implementors@imtc.org
href="mailto:h323implementors@imtc.org">h323implementors</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, October 31, 2000 1:32
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: fastStart element in all
Q.931 messages up to and including C onnect</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#800000 size=2>
<DIV><SPAN class=690122718-31102000><FONT face=Arial color=#800000
size=2>Change the <EM>should</EM> to a <EM>shall</EM>
then:</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV><SPAN class=690122718-31102000><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">The called
endpoint accepts a proposed channel by returning the corresponding
OpenLogicalChannel structure in </SPAN><FONT face=Arial color=blue><SPAN
style="COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">a</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial
color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> Q.931 message
sent in response to Setup, up to and including Connect.
<NEW></SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial color=blue><SPAN
style="COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">A called endpoint may choose to
repeat the exact same fastStart element in all subsequent message up to and
including Connect. Calling endpoints <FONT color=#ff0000
size=4><U>shall</U></FONT> react to the first fastStart element received in
a response message to the Setup message and ignore any eventual subsequent
fastStart elements.</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV><SPAN class=690122718-31102000><FONT face=Arial color=#800000
size=2><SPAN style="COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">If somebody manages to
get it wrong after that, they deserve to be taken out of business.
</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=690122718-31102000><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=690122718-31102000><FONT face=Arial color=#800000
size=2><SPAN style="COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I completely disagree
with your assertion that we must choose either one or many. Currently some
implementations send one, others send many, and we don't see interoperability
problems.</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=690122718-31102000><FONT face=Arial color=#800000
size=2><SPAN
style="COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></SPAN></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
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style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #800000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Danail Kirov
[mailto:DanailK@vertical.com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, October 31, 2000
10:17 AM<BR><B>To:</B> Audet, Francois [SC2:4K02:EXCH]; 'Paul E. Jones';
'Anatoli Levine'; Paul Long<BR><B>Cc:</B>
h323implementors<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: fastStart element in all Q.931
messages up to and including C onnect<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV class=Section1>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN class=EmailStyle19><FONT face=Arial color=navy
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">It
seems bullet-prone to me.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN class=EmailStyle19><FONT face=Arial color=navy
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">If
the </SPAN></FONT></SPAN><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">called
endpoint may choose to repeat the exact same fastStart element in all
subsequent message up to and including Connect,
then<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN class=EmailStyle19><FONT face=Arial color=navy
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">The
calling endpoint may choose to expect the fastStart in Connect only. At the
same time the called endpoint is not required to send fastStart in Connect
and may choose not to send fastStart in Connect and as a result the calling
endpoint may never get fastStart in Connect and fast connect may fail
miserably.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN class=EmailStyle19><FONT face=Arial color=navy
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN class=EmailStyle19><FONT face=Arial color=navy
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">Isn’t
it clear that those are two mutually exclusive
choices?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P>
<OL style="mso-margin-top-alt: 0in" type=1>
<LI class=MsoNormal
style="COLOR: navy; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1; tab-stops: list .5in"><SPAN
class=EmailStyle19><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">The
called endpoint is required to include the fastStart element in only one
Q.931 message.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></SPAN>
<LI class=MsoNormal
style="COLOR: navy; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1; tab-stops: list .5in"><SPAN
class=EmailStyle19><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">The
called endpoint is required to </SPAN></FONT></SPAN><FONT face=Arial
color=blue size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">repeat
the exact same fastStart element in all subsequent message up to and
including Connect.</SPAN></FONT><SPAN class=EmailStyle19><FONT face=Arial
color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></SPAN>
</LI></OL>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN class=EmailStyle19><FONT face=Arial color=navy
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN class=EmailStyle19><FONT face=Arial color=navy
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">There
is no middle ground and no mix and matches are allowed, if we want to have
bulletproof fast connect procedure. Any correction in the standard must make
it clear and definite that it is either choice 1, or choice 2, but not both
at the same time.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN class=EmailStyle19><FONT face=Arial color=navy
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN class=EmailStyle19><FONT face=Arial color=navy
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoAutoSig><FONT color=navy><SPAN style="COLOR: navy">Danail
Kirov</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=navy><SPAN
style="COLOR: navy; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoAutoSig><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=navy size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: navy"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT
color=navy><SPAN
style="COLOR: navy; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN class=EmailStyle19><FONT face=Arial color=navy
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Tahoma color=black
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">-----Original
Message-----<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> Francois
Audet [mailto:audet@nortelnetworks.com]<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Tuesday, October 31, 2000 8:47
AM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> 'Paul E. Jones';
'Anatoli Levine'; Paul Long<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Cc:</SPAN></B> h323implementors<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> RE: fastStart element in all
Q.931 messages up to and including C onnect</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial color=maroon
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: maroon; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I
have not problem with your proposed addition.</SPAN></FONT><FONT
color=black><SPAN
style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman"
color=black size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT
color=black><SPAN
style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial color=maroon
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: maroon; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">It
seems bullet-proof to me.</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal
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face=Tahoma color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">-----Original
Message-----<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> Paul E.
Jones [mailto:paulej@packetizer.com]<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Monday, October 30, 2000 10:34
PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> Audet, Francois
[SC2:4K02:EXCH]; 'Anatoli Levine'; Paul Long<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Cc:</SPAN></B> h323implementors<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: fastStart element in all
Q.931 messages up to and including C onnect</SPAN></FONT><FONT
color=black><SPAN
style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Francois,</SPAN></FONT><FONT
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face="Times New Roman" color=black size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT
color=black><SPAN
style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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face=Arial color=black size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">You proposed the
following textual changes (see enclosed
in <NEW></NEW>):</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial
color=black><SPAN
style="COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT
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<HR align=center width="100%" SIZE=2>
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<P class=MsoNormal
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face=Arial color=black size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">The called
endpoint accepts a proposed channel by returning the corresponding
OpenLogicalChannel structure in </SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial
color=blue><SPAN
style="COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">a</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial
color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> Q.931 message
sent in response to Setup, up to and including Connect.
<NEW></SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial color=blue><SPAN
style="COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">A called endpoint may choose to
repeat the exact same fastStart element in all subsequent message up to and
including Connect. Calling endpoints should react to the first fastStart
element received in a response message to the Setup message and ignore any
eventual subsequent fastStart elements.</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial
color=black><SPAN
style="COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"></NEW></SPAN></FONT><FONT
face=Arial color=black><SPAN
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style="COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 39.75pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; mso-border-left-alt: solid maroon 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"><FONT
face=Arial color=black size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I don't have any
problem inserting this text into H.323, but I do fear that people will rely
on such repetitions and they may not happen. Indeed, I would
state that <EM><I>an H.323 entity shall not expect more than one
response to Fast Connect</I></EM>. I don't disagree with this text,
because I always encourage developers to be very tolerant of
"noise" on the wire-- and I consider repetitive data like this to be
"noise". :-)</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial color=black><SPAN
style="COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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face=Arial color=black size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT
face=Arial color=black><SPAN
style="COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 39.75pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; mso-border-left-alt: solid maroon 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"><FONT
face=Arial color=black size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">You call these
religious arguments... they might be, but we really need closure on this
issue. Unlike the MGCP vs H.248 debates, the world can live with two
media gateway control protocols. However, I don't want to see vendors
split on implementation issues relating to H.323: that's not good for
anybody at all. If we don't come to an agreement on it here
and now, you know that we'll be correcting it as a customer fumes over
interoperability issues later on. I'd much rather see us agree to
something than to bring grief upon our customers.</SPAN></FONT><FONT
face=Arial color=black><SPAN
style="COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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face=Arial color=black size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT
face=Arial color=black><SPAN
style="COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 39.75pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; mso-border-left-alt: solid maroon 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"><FONT
face=Arial color=black size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Can everyone live
with the above textual changes? Do we need more? Is it well
understood that there <EM><I>may</I></EM> be one and only one
response containing fastStart?</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial
color=black><SPAN
style="COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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face=Arial color=black size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT
face=Arial color=black><SPAN
style="COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 39.75pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; mso-border-left-alt: solid maroon 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"><FONT
face=Arial color=black size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Paul</SPAN></FONT><FONT
face=Arial color=black><SPAN
style="COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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face="Times New Roman" color=black size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT
color=black><SPAN
style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV
style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 4pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; BORDER-LEFT: black 1.5pt solid; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none">
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face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">----- Original
Message ----- </SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 43.5pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"><B><FONT
face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">
<DIV style="font-color: black">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face=Arial
color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <A
title=audet@nortelnetworks.com
href="mailto:audet@nortelnetworks.com">Francois Audet</A>
</SPAN></FONT></DIV><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT>
<P></P>
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face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">To:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <A
title=alevine@RADVISION.COM href="mailto:alevine@RADVISION.COM">'Anatoli
Levine'</A> </SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 43.5pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"><B><FONT
face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Cc:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <A
title=h323implementors@imtc.org
href="mailto:h323implementors@imtc.org">h323implementors@imtc.org</A>
</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 43.5pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"><B><FONT
face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Sent:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> Monday, October
30, 2000 5:51 PM</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Subject:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> RE: fastStart
element in all Q.931 messages up to and including C
onnect</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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face="Times New Roman" color=black size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT
color=black><SPAN
style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P
style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 43.5pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"><FONT
face="Times New Roman" color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black">> I disagree with your claim that
the stack which sends </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black">> multiple Fast
Start</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black">
<BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black">> responses (as long as they are
identical) is not compliant </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black">> with the standard
-</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black">
<BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black">> none of the citations you used
claim that ONLY ONE Q.931 </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black">> message can carry
Fast</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black">
<BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black">> Start information. I believe that
the wording should be </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black">> changed to
explicitly</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black">
<BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black">> allow Fast Start elements to be
sent in every Q.931 message </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black">> up to Connect
as</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black">
<BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black">> long as information in those
messages stays the same.</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P
style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 43.5pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"><FONT
face="Times New Roman" color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black">Correct. That was my proposal too. I
didn't keep the exact wording I had.</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"> <BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black">Paul Jones probably still has
it.</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN style="COLOR: black">
</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
style="COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P
style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 43.5pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"><FONT
face="Times New Roman" color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black">These religious arguments over "one"
or "many" are getting nowhere. It</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"> <BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black">seems that sending one and sending
many are a fait accomplit. Not much</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"> <BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black">we can do about it except tell the
implementor about it.</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN
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