[itu-sg16] Notice of Shanghai Meeting (8-12 March 2010)

Seong-Ho Jeong shojeong at gmail.com
Mon Jan 11 05:44:49 EST 2010



Happy New Year!

 (I'm always running behind ;-) )


Advertising the feature would be good, but it would not solve the issues I
see today. I'm not opposed to adding such capability advertisement (which I
guess would be a "supportedFeature"), but what I'm most interested in is
documenting the procedure that is widely implemented for the benefit of some
folks who didn't know about this defacto-standard behavior.  For certain,
boxes ought not  be crashing, documented or otherwise.




From: Sasha Ruditsky [mailto:sasha at radvision.com] 
Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 8:13 AM
To: Paul E. Jones
Cc: itu-sg16 at lists.packetizer.com; h323implementers at lists.packetizer.com
Subject: RE: [itu-sg16] Facility-based call transfer in H.323


Hi Paul,


BTW, It is 2010 already!

Happy New Year.


First of all I do agree that we need to do something about this issue.

The status today is that we need to "guess" what the peer is going to do
with if such a Facility message.

It is good if the Facility is just ignored, however, what if the peer


Currently the only way we know to deal with this is to consult (before
sending the message) a list of vendor and product IDs which 

are known to implement this procedure.


It would be a little more straightforward to include some kind of more
specific feature ID in SETUP/CONNECT messages.






From: itu-sg16-bounces at lists.packetizer.com
[mailto:itu-sg16-bounces at lists.packetizer.com] On Behalf Of Paul E. Jones
Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 8:51 PM
To: itu-sg16 at lists.packetizer.com; h323implementers at lists.packetizer.com
Subject: [itu-sg16] Facility-based call transfer in H.323




For years - perhaps since the first release of H.323 - many vendors have
supported a means of doing a simple call transfer by sending a Facility
message.  The problem is that, while it's extremely trivial to implement,
some devices didn't because it was not officially supported in H.323.


Cisco took a proposal to the ITU years ago (D.345 from February 2000)
proposing that we standardize it by adding it to H.323v4 officially.
Unfortunately, it was rejected in favor of keeping a single mechanism for
doing call transfer: H.450.2.  However, it was not immediately dismissed:
there were at least some who felt that it might be useful, but rather than
introducing a new "callTransfer" reason, re-used "callForwarded" as is
commonly (though not universally) implemented.  Ultimately, though, the
proposal went nowhere.


The issue has not gone away, though, and it's now 2009.  I believe we still
need to introduce this procedure formally to H.323.  I would not want to
propose changes to the ASN.1, but I would like to legitimize sending
Facility with a reason of "callForwarded" in order to perform a call
transfer.  Some devices may not support it, but that's the way things are
today.  My hope would be that at least more people would know about it.  As
an undocumented behavior, we have inconsistency in devices.


What is the opinion of others?  I'd be glad to submit a formal contribution
to the next Q2/16 meeting if there is interest, but I'd like to hear from
people both for or against the proposed change.  If introduced, it would be
an Amendment to H.323v7.


To write this contribution, though, we probably need some guidance on what
to do when a device does not respond to the Facility message.  How do
devices behave today?  Do they assume the transfer failed if a Release
Complete is not received within n seconds?


In any case, please give me your opinion.





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