H.245 User Input Indication question

Dave Lindbergh lindbergh at 92f1.com
Tue Mar 16 13:32:44 EST 2004


Paul,

I've just looked at H.245, and I can't figure it out either.

I suggest that once we figure it out (or decide to deprecate it, if we 
can't figure it out), we add some text to H.245 to clarify this.

Sorry.

--Dave

At 11:57 AM 3/16/2004, Dave Lindbergh wrote:
>At 11:53 AM 3/16/2004, Paul E. Jones wrote:
>>Dave,
>>
>>So, I'm still confused.  "are supported" means:
>>   a) The device may ONLY send that subset of characters?
>>   b) The device must support that subset, but may send others?
>
>Neither (but closer to b).  It means the device DOES support that 
>subset.  It might also support others, might not.  There's no "must" or 
>"shall" about it - it's a statement about what the device actually does.
>
>>Also, any insight into what the "userInputSupportedIndication" element is 
>>for within "UserInputIndication"?
>
>I'll try to look into that later today.
>
>--Dave
>
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Paul
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: <mailto:lindbergh at 92f1.com>Dave Lindbergh
>>To: <mailto:paulej at PACKETIZER.COM>Paul E. Jones
>>Cc: <mailto:itu-sg16 at external.cisco.com>itu-sg16 at external.cisco.com ; 
>><mailto:mike.nilsson at BT.COM>Mike Nilsson ; 
>><mailto:plong at PACKETIZER.COM>Paul Long
>>Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2004 11:48 AM
>>Subject: Re: H.245 User Input Indication question
>>Hi Paul,
>>My recollection is that "are supported" was meant to indicate that the 
>>device can send those characters.  (I think UII can send anything in the 
>>ASCII, and perhaps the Unicode, set.)
>>The purpose of the "are supported" bit is to allow an automatic menu 
>>generator to limit the kinds of input it requests to what the far-end 
>>terminal can actually send.  (weak example: "Press # for Customer 
>>Service" vs "Type SERVICE for Customer Service")...in fact people have 
>>used UII to do things like text chat, which is difficult with only a 
>>phone keypad.
>>--Dave
>>At 11:40 AM 3/16/2004, Paul E. Jones wrote:
>>>Folks,
>>>
>>>I have a question regarding H.245 User Input Indication.  In section 
>>>B.14.6, it states:
>>>
>>>     "The boolean basicString, when true, indicates that the characters 
>>> 0-9, * and # are supported."
>>>My question is whether that those characters are supported means that it 
>>>is the only valid characters that may be transmitted?  Or is it also 
>>>valid to transmit A,B,C,D, for example?  In other words, does this 
>>>wording simply indicate the minimum set of characters that must be 
>>>supported or is the wording intended to specify the complete set of 
>>>characters that may be used with "basicString".
>>>
>>>H.323 Section 6.2.8 simply says that "alphaNumeric" must be supported 
>>>and that the characters 0-9, * and # must be supported and others are 
>>>optional.  However, it does not speak to whether endpoints must 
>>>advertise support for basicString, IA5String, etc.
>>>
>>>A second question: can somebody explain why there is a CHOICE of 
>>>"userInputSupportIndication" inside the UserInputIndication 
>>>message?  Would we not always advertise capabilities via the 
>>>UserInputCapability only?  Is the intent of having the 
>>>"userInputSupportIndication" for changing capabilities outside of a 
>>>normal capability exchange.
>>>
>>>Any clarification you can provide would be most appreciated.
>>>
>>>Thanks,
>>>Paul
>>>
>>----------
>>Dave Lindbergh
>>Polycom, Inc.
>>100 Minuteman Road
>>Andover MA 01810  USA
>>Voice: +1 978 292 5366
>>Email: lindbergh at 92F1.com
>>H.320, H.323 video by arrangement
>----------
>Dave Lindbergh
>Polycom, Inc.
>100 Minuteman Road
>Andover MA 01810  USA
>Voice: +1 978 292 5366
>Email: lindbergh at 92F1.com
>H.320, H.323 video by arrangement

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Dave Lindbergh
Polycom, Inc.
100 Minuteman Road
Andover MA 01810  USA
Voice: +1 978 292 5366
Email: lindbergh at 92F1.com
H.320, H.323 video by arrangement
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