Alcatel Reaction on H.323m contributions

Reddy, Paul K paul.k.reddy at INTEL.COM
Mon Nov 15 20:39:13 EST 1999

Hi Laurent,

Welcome to the Group.
For your  information, ITU-T SG16 Q13/A14 H.323 Mobility Annex-H group has
formed a H.323 Mobility Ad Hoc working group in order to make progress in
the development of H.323 Mobility Annex-H standard specifications. The H.323
Mobility Ad Hoc group agreed to have interim conference call meeting on Nov
17, 1999 8:00 am to 10:00 am (PST) in order to discuss contributions from
different interested parties towards
6b.     H.323 Mobility Functional Entities (HLF, VLF, AuF, IWF)
6c.     H.323 Mobility Architecture
of the agenda items.

The following procedure was adopted by the Ad Hoc group:
1. Interested parties submitting contributions should request MTD-XX number
from Conference Call chair and upload the document into the ftp site shown
2. Your MTD-08 document will be assigned to an agenda item and it will be
discussed during the conference call accordingly.

Your enclosed document showed the MTD-05 number,which is already assigned to
Motorola. I am assigning the following MTD number for your document, please
make changes and upload the document to the directory.

MTD-08: Integrating  3GPP's option-1 architecture into the H.323 wireless IP
mobility system and a full migration from GPRS to a Multimedia IP network
Company: Alcatel


Paul K. Reddy
Intel Architecture Labs,
Intel Corporation,
2111 NE 25th Avenue,
Hillsboro, OR - 97124, USA,
Office Phone# +1 (503)-264-9896

-----Original Message-----
From: Laurent Thiebaut [mailto:LAURENT.THIEBAUT at ALCATEL.FR]
Sent: Monday, November 15, 1999 9:40 AM
Subject: Re: Alcatel Reaction on H.323m contributions

     Hello everybody,
     I have just subscribe to itu-sg16.
     I'm mostly interested in H.323 link with radio access, being involved
     3GPP standardization (3GPP S2 working group responsible of network

     Please find attached some comments on Contribution "Integrating
     3GPP's option-1 architecture into the H.323 wireless IP mobility
     system and a full migration from GPRS to a Multimedia IP network
     proposal" (file MTD-05) - source Motorola - to be discussed on
     wednesday about H323 mobility.

        - comment on section "Alternate Proposal for an all IP option for
     R'00. The purpose the all IP proposal is also to allow support of
     99 CS domain terminals. In addition it will also support the IP based
     services of option 1."

     The figure shown in the contribution does **NOT** correspond to the
     support of the CS terminals as described in 3GPP 23.922. This option 2
     of the 3GPP standard corresponds to the option 1 architecture plus
                -- a MSC server mainly that comprises the call control and
     mobility control parts of a GSM/UMTS R99 MSC.
     MSC server controls the parts of the call state that pertain to
     connection control for media channels in a MGW.
                -- A GMSC server that mainly comprises the call control and
     mobility control parts of a GSM/UMTS R99 GMSC.
     The attached contains extracts from 3GPP23.922 that
     explain the 3GPP position on network architecture.

     The following further discrepancies between contribution MTD05 and
     3GPP specifications are:
                -- The network architecture defined by 3GPP does *NOT*
     imply to have the GK and the SGSN function mixed,
                -- nor has 3GPP accepted to merge the GGSN and the MG
                -- nor has 3GPP accepted to have a Gi interface between
     UTRAN (radio) and GGSN (Gateway to Packet Data networks such as
     Intranets / ISPs).
     Merging of functions is always possible at the implementation level
     but should not be dictated by standardization when not necessary.

     As H.323 networks may have to interact with other non 3GPP radio (and
     even mobile, non terrestrial radio) networks,  it is better to have,
     as 3GPP has done, a clear separation between (radio) access bearer
     layer - UTRAN, ERAN, SGSN, GGSN for 3GPP networks, PDSN for CDMA2000
     networks - and multimedia call control layer e.g. GK.

     Best regards
        Laurent T.
      V    Laurent Thiebaut      tel: +33 (0)1 3077 0645
A L C A T E L                    e.mail:laurent.thiebaut at
(Alcatel representant to 3GPP SA Working group 2 that is responsible of 3GPP
system architecture)

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