FW: Where H.245 goes - MG or MGC (Skran's comments)
taylor at NORTELNETWORKS.COM
Wed Mar 10 08:53:36 EST 1999
I'll forward this to the Megaco list. One point, though. Just because call
signalling is in the MGC doesn't mean we have a GK-routed model: the MGC is
part of the Gateway in the SG 16 architecture and TIPHON's. (Its
relationship to the H.323 architecture is unstated in Megaco, except that we
cite the TIPHON architecture as an example.)
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dale L. Skran [SMTP:dskran at ASCEND.COM]
> Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 1999 12:22 PM
> To: ITU-SG16 at MAILBAG.INTEL.COM
> Subject: Re: FW: Where H.245 goes - MG or MGC (Skran's comments)
> See detailed comments below.
> Dale Skran
> Q13 rapporteur
> At 12:07 PM 3/8/99 -0600, Tom-PT Taylor wrote:
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: David R. Oran [SMTP:oran at cisco.com]
> >> Sent: Monday, March 08, 1999 10:25 AM
> >> To: megaco
> >> Subject: Where H.245 goes - MG or MGC
> >> Here are some random thoughts on one of the questions of marrying
> >> with H.323 - where H.245 goes. Some prior messages have indicated that
> >> there are tradeoffs involved here, and I agree. Some food for thought:
> >> - If we terminate H.245 on the MG, this blows away V2 fast start, and
> >> looking at likely call flows may introduce 1/2 RTT extra over a
> >> H.323 gateway.
> If GW A sends a setup with an OLC to GW B,
> H.225.0 and H.245 both go between the GWs and fast start works fine. The
> penalty of not using fast start only occurs if you want the call signaling
> to the controller and the H.245 to the GWs.
> In any case, the key word here is OPTIONAL. All three alternatives need to
> supported, not just the imposition of the GK-routed call model on all
> vendors and
> a)full GK-routed
> b)GK routed signaling; H.245 between GWs
> c)direct call model with H.323 RAS in MGC and H.225.0/H.245
> between GWs
> >> - The MGC may wish to participate in CAPs exchange for policy reasons.
> Of course, and this should be the MGC's choice to force the GK-routed call
> just as is currently the case.
> >> - The H.245 open logical channel operation is analogous to doing VC
> >> establishment on the MG in the ATM case, and for parallelism might be
> >> done MG-MG. It is also where certain resource allocation operations get
> This is part of the case for doing H.245 between GWs rather than through
> >> done and hence synchronizes well with the H.323 model of error
> >> Unfortunately, putting CAPs excahnge in one association and logical
> >> channel control in a different association would be a pretty major
> >> to H.323.
> There is a mental leap here that is not clear; why would this be done?
> >> - Putting H.245 completely on the MG factors the problem of translating
> >> among different media description syntaxes (e.g. H245/ASN1 vs SDP) -
> >> MGC-MG protocol then might not need to have a full-blown media
> >> in it when using H.323 for global signaling.
> Indeed, another good reason for H.245 between the GWs.
> >> - Putting H.245 on the MG gives the MG a lot of autonomy. This is
> >> more autonomy than the Megaco model should assign to the MG.
> Different strokes for different folks. Different customers will take each
> >> - Splitting up H.323 with H.225 signaling in one place and H.245
> >> in another place may uncover some state coordination issues which would
> >> (unneccesarily?) complicate the MGC-MG protocol and possibly introduce
> >> direct H.323 dependencies.
> Certainly this is possible, although there are vendors who do this right
> (how about a posting?). It is difficult to not have H.323 dependencies in
> protocol to decompose an H.323 GW.
> >> My intuition says that the tradeoffs favor keeping H.245 in the MGC.
> >> do others think?
> The arguements presented here indicate the opposite; that H.245 should
> go between the GWs, as well as H.225.0 call signaling.
> Beware the black/white view. Different customers will use the products in
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