All, Last night I tried to post a reply to Abdallah Rayhan's message with comments on APC-1711 and APC-1712, but it seems that it didn't get through. Here's a second try. John -- John Segers email: jsegers@lucent.com Lucent Technologies Room HE 306 Dept. Forward Looking Work phone: +31 35 687 4724 P.O. Box 18, 1270 AA Huizen fax: +31 35 687 5954