I do hope that you-all take a look at what is going on in the IETF before going off to invent a different QoS for IP technology - SG16 doing that sort of thing would seem to be quite counter productive I would suggest that people interested in IP QoS get on the IETF mailing lists (diffserv, RSVP, and intserv - see www.ietf.org under working groups to find out how) Scott ----