H.320 gateways a MEGACO / ITU
Hi
During the last MEGACO conference call - Tom Taylor asked what could hinder ITU acceptance of the MEGACO work. It is obviously to everybody's interest that IETF and ITU standards merge. As an example - it would be great if the MEGACO work could become an ITU SG 16 contribution.
An obvious item is efficient multimedia support (as reflected also in John's mail).
However, I think that one of the even more major difficulties facing us will be the encoding scheme (ASN.1 vs Text).
There are many who feel that ASN.1 is too heavy and complex for simple devices, and should be avoided. This was one of the major reasons for the emergence of SIP.
On the other hand, experience in the ITU H.323 work has shown that since ASN.1 is the encoding scheme on the PSTN side, the use of ASN cleared the way for PSTN to IP interoperability. This feature will be extremely important in hybrid networks that need to provide Intelligent Network (IN) services (e.g. "800"), while retaining the investment in existing IN, billing and directory services (411).
Another problem is that if ASN.1 is not chosen, every device that will have to connect between a MEGACO component and H.323 will need to dis-assemble and re-assemble (transcode) messages, and hence network performance will suffer, and those devices will be more complex. A prime example - MGC to GK communications.
I am not promoting a specific approach. I just think that this complex issue needs to be addressed if we want to be able to be able accept a universal protocol.
Do you think this is really a problem? If so - any ideas on how to bridge the gap?
Ami
-----Original Message----- From: John Segers [SMTP:jsegers@lucent.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 1999 6:27 PM To: ITU-SG16@mailbag.cps.intel.com Subject: H.320 gateways
People,
In yesterday's conference call, the subject of H.320 GWs was raised briefly. In my opinion, the connection model and protocol should be able to deal with H.320. I would like to continue discussion on it on the mailing list.
H.320 allows a user to have a session with both audio and video on a single 64 kbit/s channel such as an ISDN B-channel. The same channel carries some signalling information (frame alignment, bitrate allocation). To a MG supporting H.320, this means that on a single endpoint, three streams can come in, carrying different types of media. The current connection model of megaco/H.gcp does not cater to this. I see two possible solutions:
The first is to allow multiple media in one context and to describe for terminations the logical streams they carry. In a picture:
+----------+ | | | +--------- signalling (FAS, BAS) | | B-channel ==========+ +--------- audio (16 kbit/s) | | | +--------- video (46.4 kbit/s) | | +----------+
The second solution is to have separate terminations for the different streams. They would all "connect to" the same physical endpoint. In order to properly identify the terminations, it is necessary to have logical names for them. The physical endpoint they connect may have the hierarchical name proposed in the megaco document.
Another example of a H.320 session is the case of two B-channels being used for an audiovisual call. The following frame structure is then possible.
+--------------------------++-----------------------+ | Channel 1 || Channel 2 | +-----+--+--+--+--+--+--+--++--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+ |Bit 1|B2|B3|B4|B5|B6|B7|B8||B1|B2|B3|B4|B5|B6|B7|B8| +-----+--+--+--+--+--+--+--++--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+ 1 | a1 |a2|a3|a4|a5|a6|v1|F ||v2|v3|v4|v5|v6|v7|v8|F | 2 | a7 |a8|a9|a |a |a |v9|F ||v |v |v |v |v |v |v |F | 3 | a |a |a |a |a |a |v |F ||v |v |v |v |v |v |v |F | 4 | a | | | | |a |v |F ||v | |v |F | 5 | a | | | | |a |v |F ||v | |v |F | 6 | a | | | | |a |v |F ||v | |v |F | 7 | a | | | | |a |v |F ||v | |v |F | 8 | a | | | | |a |v |F ||v | |v |F | +---------------------------------------------------+ 9 | a | | | | |a |v |B ||v | |v |B | 10 | a | | | | |a |v |B ||v | |v |B | 11 | a | | | | |a |v |B ||v | |v |B | 12 | a | | | | |a |v |B ||v | |v |B | 13 | a | | | | |a |v |B ||v | |v |B | 14 | a | | | | |a |v |B ||v | |v |B | 15 | a | | | | |a |v |B ||v | |v |B | 16 | a | | | | |a |v |B ||v | |v |B | +---------------------------------------------------+ 17 | a | | | | |a |v |v ||v | |v |v | . . . 80 | a | | | | |a |v |v ||v | |v |v | +---------------------------------------------------+
(a=audio, v=video, F=FAS, B=BAS).
We see that the video stream is split up over two channels. In order to cater to this, it seems we have to allow terminations to receive media from and send it to multiple physical endpoints. The two approaches outlined above can both be extended to allow this. Both extensions will lead to the introduction of logical names for terminations. In the first approach there will be one termination "containing" two B-channels on one side and three logical streams on the other. In the second approach there will be three terminations, the one for the video stream referencing both B-channels, the ones for signalling and audio referencing only channel 1.
The second approach allows us to keep separate contexts for different media types. It is then easy to delete, for instance, the video part of a session (session used loosely to desribe the contexts for the audio and video).
The first approach groups the streams coming from/going to one user, making it possible to remove a user from a context more easily.
Personally, I can't decide which approach I would prefer. How do others feel about these ideas?
Regards,
John Segers -- John Segers email: jsegers@lucent.com Lucent Technologies Room HE 344 Dept. Forward Looking Work phone: +31 35 687 4724 P.O. Box 18, 1270 AA Huizen fax: +31 35 687 5954
On the call, I believe we agreed to hold technical discussions on the megaco mail list. Cross-Posting doubles the traffic for those who are subscribed to both lists. Could we start using the megaco list now?
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Thanks, Chip -------------------------------------------------- Chip Sharp voice: +1 (919) 851-2085 Cisco Systems Consulting Eng. - Telco Reality - Love it or Leave it. --------------------------------------------------
Chip, We DID agree to use the MEGACO list instead of SG16 and should start to do so. I am guessing that those who are posting to both have been waiting to see an official announcement on the SG16 list stating that this is the policy. I am expecting that to come from Tom Taylor or Bryan Hill. Hope I didn't miss it if it already came through.
Rex
Chip Sharp wrote:
On the call, I believe we agreed to hold technical discussions on the megaco mail list. Cross-Posting doubles the traffic for those who are subscribed to both lists. Could we start using the megaco list now?
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Thanks, Chip
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At 11:14 AM 3/31/99 +0200, Ami Amir wrote:
There are many who feel that ASN.1 is too heavy and complex for simple devices, and should be avoided. This was one of the major reasons for the emergence of SIP.
There's another problem - the use of PER combined with protocol- embedded addresses greatly complicates operation through firewalls. Not that I'm a fan of text-based protocols - I absolutely am not. But PER-encoded signaling streams could force the use of firewall proxies, which has unfortunate performance implications.
I'm not certain that I understand the point about transcoding - it's going to have to take place, anyway, whether the megaco protocol is text-based or not.
Melinda Shore Member of the Scientific Staff Nokia IP Telephony 127 West State Street Ithaca, New York 14850 +1 607 273 0724 x81 (office) +1 607 275 3610 (fax) +1 607 280 0010 (mobile) shore@ithaca-viennasys.com
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Ami Amir
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Rex Coldren