Francois,
 
I realize how this could be confusing, but I don't necessarily see a conflict since they all say, "may." For example, if I say, "X may do A or B," and, "X may do B," that does not preclude "X may do A." Conversely, if I said "shall" instead of "may," I think there would be real conflicts. I've worked on EPs that are very aggressive during call establishment. For example, Setup contains an h245Address and indicates support for Fast Connect and H.245 Tunneling. Other than all the non-compliant EPs out there, it worked just fine. The EPs also support third-party pause, but I don't remember ever testing that particular scenario. As long as an EP is implemented correctly, I don't see anything in the Recommendation that would prevent this from working.
 
Paul Long
ipDialog, Inc.
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Subject: Switching to H.245

Guys,
 
H.323/8.1.7.2 says :
After establishment of a call using the Fast Connect procedure, either endpoint may determine that it is necessary to invoke call features that require the use of H.245 procedures. Either endpoint may initiate the use of H.245 procedures at any point during the call, using tunnelling as described in 8.2.1 (if h245Tunnelling remains enabled) or a separate H.245 connection. The process for switching to a separate H.245 connection is described in 8.2.3.
8.2.3 says:
When H.245 encapsulation or Fast Connect is being used, either endpoint may choose to switch to using the separate H.245 connection at any time.
There seem to be some contradiction in there: is it "after establishment" or "at any time"?
 
Do you have to wait for after CONNECT to establish a separate H.245 channel or not?
 
The case I'm interested in would be to send SETUP with fastStart, then receive ALERTING with fastStart. Then can either end initiate H.245  before CONNECT? If so, what if third party pause and redirection  is initiated before CONNECT?
 
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François AUDET, Nortel Networks
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