Michael,
 
My opinion is that, given that there is a ServiceRequest 
and a ServiceRelease and that one can initiate a new service relationship before 
terminating a previous service relationship, a new service ID shall be 
introduced with a ServiceRequest message and a BE should not send a new 
ServiceRequest with the same ID without first releasing the previous 
relationship.
 
I believe that's in alignment with your 
interpretation.
 
Paul
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  Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2000 5:40 
  AM
  Subject: [H225 Annex G] When to create a 
  new service ID
  
I would like to hear people's interpretation of when a 
  new service ID should be created 
in 
  H.225.0 Annex G. (A service ID is used to identify a service relationship 
  between 
two border elements). 
  
There are three cases to consider: 
  
Case #1: 
- a BE (border element) receives a ServiceRequest message from a BE 
  with which it does 
  not yet have 
  a service relationship 
Case 
  #2: 
- a BE receives a ServiceRequest 
  message from a BE with which it already does 
  have a service relationship,  but the terms of the service 
  relationship are to be changed   
  (eg, different security parameters) 
Case #3: 
- a BE 
  receives a ServiceRequest message from a BE with which it already does 
  
  have a service relationship (ie, this 
  ServiceRequest is refreshing the service relationship), 
  and the terms of the service relationship are 
  identical to the previous terms 
  
  (eg, same security parameters) 
My 
  impression is that the following should happen in each case: 
  
Case #1 - create a new serviceID in the 
  ServiceConfirmation 
Case #2 - create a 
  new serviceID because we are changing the parameters of the 
                
      service relationship (it's becoming a new service 
  relationship) 
Case #3 -  do NOT 
  create a new serviceID -  the existing relationship is being refreshed, 
  
          
             so we should continue to use the same 
  serviceID 
However, the wording 
  of H.225.0 Annex G does not seem to say this. 
It seems that in ALL cases, a new serviceID should be created. 
  
To me, this seems to be incorrect, and I'm 
  not sure that the original 
intent took 
  into account case #3. 
I think that in 
  case #3, we should not be creating a new service ID. 
The following sections from H.225.0 Annex G are 
  relevant: 
[from section 
  1.8.2] 
service ID - This identifer 
  identifies a particular service relationship session between 
two border elements. Whenever a border element receives 
  a ServiceRequest message, 
it allocates 
  a  globally unique service ID and returns it to the sender of the 
  
ServiceRequest message in the ServiceConfirm 
  message. 
[from section 1.8.2.5] 
  
A border element may send a 
  ServiceRequest message to a border element with which 
it has an existing relationship, with the intent that 
  the terms of the original relationship 
be terminated and replaced with the new terms. Service relationships 
  may have limited time to live. 
A 
  border element may refresh the relationship by sending a new Service 
  Request. 
[from section 
  1.8.2.6] 
Every new service 
  relationship is identified by a service identifier.  Whenever a border 
  element 
receives a new ServiceRequest 
  message, it allocates a unique service ID and returns it to the 
  
sender of the service request message 
  in the "service confirm" message. If the border element already 
  
has a service relationship with the border 
  element that sent the ServiceRequest message, 
sending ServiceConfirmation indicates that the terms of the original 
  relationship are terminated 
and 
  replaced with the new terms. 
Any 
  comments? 
If people agree that the 
  wording needs to be changed to unambiguously handle case #3, 
now is the time to speak up. The deadline for 
  contributions for the Geneva meeting is fast approaching. 
Michael 
  Fortinsky
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